I agree with 2112 that you need to stay with a couple subjects that you have decided on. As you know they will try to change the subject or confuse you with a bunch of scripture. If you have a Kingdom Interlinear it would be extremely helpful. Hopefully I haven't given you too much information but gave it with the thought that it could be used another time or by someone else. I haven't read all the responses but will. Any information to help get my mom out is greatly appreciated.
For me one of the biggies is the Mediator. The bible clearly states that only Jesus is the Mediator between God and man yet the Org teaches that the Great Crowd’s mediator is the organization. They teach a different Jesus from the Bible "...if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him." 2 Cor 11:4
Mediator
What Jehovah’s Witnesses are taught
Worldwide Security Under the "Prince of Peace""
pp. 10-11 "Likewise, the Greater Moses, Jesus Christ, is not the Mediator between Jehovah God and all mankind. He is the Mediator between his heavenly Father, Jehovah God, and the nation of spiritual Israel, which is limited to only 144,000 members."w81 8/1 p. 26 Harvesting in the "Time of the End" *** Your attitude toward the wheatlike anointed "brothers" of Christ and the treatment you accord them will be the determining factor as to whether you go into "everlasting cutting-off" or receive "everlasting life."
Watchtower
1979 April 1 p.31 "Is Jesus the ""mediator" only for anointed Christians? …… So in this strict Biblical sense Jesus is the "mediator"" only for anointed Christians. ……The "great crowd" of "other sheep" that is forming today is not in that new covenant. However, by their associating with the "little flock" of those yet in that covenant they come under benefits that flow from that new covenant." Watchtower 1979 November 15 p.27 Benefiting from "One Mediator Between God and Men" "They recognize that they are not spiritual Israelites in the new covenant mediated by Jesus Christ, nor part of the "chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation."——1 Pet. 2:9. 24 Yet they do benefit from the operation of the new covenant. They benefit from this just as, in ancient Israel, the "alien resident" benefited from residing in among the Israelites who were in the Law covenant.——Ex. 20:10; Lev. 19:10, 33, 34; Rev. 7:9-15. 25 To keep in relationship with "our Savior, God," the ""great crowd"" needs to remain united with the remnant of spiritual Israelites."What does the bible say?
I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone-- for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior, who wants all men to be saved and to come to a knowledge of the truth. For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus..." 1 Timothy 2:1-5
"But I want YOU to know that the head of every man is the Christ" Corinthians 11:3
Spiritual Israel
I’m doing a personal study on this subject. The Jehovah Witness Organization is not the Spiritual Israel that the bible speaks of. At this point I don’t believe that the Jews were ever replaced by the Church (replacement theology) and definitely not by the Org. It's just in the beginning stage but I hope to have it done before this site closes for anyone that might be interested. It's interesting to note that in Ephesians it states that both the Gentiles and Israel are now one body which to me would mean one hope, not the two hopes of the Watchtower - 144,000 and the Great Crowd. If I can show that Spiritual Israel are today's Israeli's then it proves that the whole interpretation of the Watchtower regarding the 144,000 being the Spiritual Israel is false. Even if the Watchtower interpretation is correct (which I know is not) how do they then explain that the Great Crowd are heirs together with the 144,000, member together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus?
This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.
God made 5 covenants with Israel.
One conditional
(the Mosaic- Exodus 19:5, 20:1-17, Deut 28:1-68)
Three were unconditional
Abrahamic
- Genesis 12:1-3, 17:1-14, The covenant made with Abraham, Isaac, jacob and their descendants.Israel
- Genesis 15:18-21,17:7-8,The covenant of the Promised Land.Davidic
- 2 Sam 7:12-13 The covenant of the Never-ending Kingdom.Romans 11:1-2
I ask then: Did God reject his people? By no means! I am an Israelite myself, a descendant of Abraham, from the tribe of Benjamin. God did not reject his people, whom he foreknew. Again I ask: Did they stumble so as to fall beyond recovery? Not at all! Rather, because of their transgression, salvation has come to the Gentiles to make Israel envious. But if their transgression means riches for the world, and their loss means riches for the Gentiles, how much greater riches will their fullness bring! I am talking to you Gentiles. Inasmuch as I am the apostle to the Gentiles, I make much of my ministry in the hope that I may somehow arouse my own people to envy and save some of them. For if their rejection is the reconciliation of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? If the part of the dough offered as firstfruits is holy, then the whole batch is holy; if the root is holy, so are the branches. If some of the branches have been broken off, and you, though a wild olive shoot, have been grafted in among the others and now share in the nourishing sap from the olive root, do not boast over those branches. If you do, consider this: You do not support the root, but the root supports you. You will say then, "Branches were broken off so that I could be grafted in." Granted. But they were broken off because of unbelief, and you stand by faith. Do not be arrogant, but be afraid. For if God did not spare the natural branches, he will not spare you either. Consider therefore the kindness and sternness of God: sternness to those who fell, but kindness to you, provided that you continue in his kindness. Otherwise, you also will be cut off. And if they do not persist in unbelief, they will be grafted in, for God is able to graft them in again. After all, if you were cut out of an olive tree that is wild by nature, and contrary to nature were grafted into a cultivated olive tree, how much more readily will these, the natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree! I do not want you to be ignorant of this mystery, brothers, so that you may not be conceited: Israel has experienced a hardening in part until the full number of the Gentiles has come in. 26And so all Israel will be saved, as it is written: "The deliverer will come from Zion; he will turn godlessness away from Jacob. And this is my covenant with them when I take away their sins."As far as the gospel is concerned, they are enemies on your account; but as far as election is concerned, they are loved on account of the patriarchs, for God's gifts and his call are irrevocable. Just as you who were at one time disobedient to God have now received mercy as a result of their disobedience, so they too have now become disobedient in order that they too may now receive mercy as a result of God's mercy to you. For God has bound all men over to disobedience so that he may have mercy on them all.Ephesians 2:11-22
Therefore, remember that formerly you who are Gentiles by birth and called "uncircumcised" by those who call themselves "the circumcision" (that done in the body by the hands of men) – remember that at that time you were separate from Christ, excluded from citizenship in Israel and foreigners to the covenants of the promise,without hope and without God in the world. But now in Christ Jesus you who once were far away have been brought near through he blood of Christ. For he himself is our peace, who has made the two one and has destroyed the barrier, the dividing wall of hostility, by abolishing in his flesh the law with its commandments and regulations. His purpose was to create in himself one new man out of the two, thus making peace, and in this one body to reconcile both of them to God through the cross, by which he put to death their hostility. He came and preached peace to you who were far away and peace to those who were near. For through him we both have access to the Father by one Spirit. Consequently, you are no longer foreigners and aliens, but fellow citizens with God’s people and members of God’s household , built on the foundation of the apostles and prophets with Christ Jesus himself as the chief cornerstone. In him the whole building is joined together and rises to become a holy temple in the Lord. And in him you too are being built together to become a dwelling in which god lives by his Spirit.Ephesians 3:2
Surely you have heard about the administration of God’s grace that was given to me for you, that is, the mystery made known to me by revelation, as I have already written briefly. In reading this, then you will be able to understand my insight into the mystery of Christ, which was not made known to mn in other generations as it has now been revealed by the spirit to God’s holy apostles and prophets. This mystery is that through the gospel the Gentiles are heirs together with Israel, members together of one body, and sharers together in the promise in Christ Jesus.Jesus/Michael
This site may be of help to you. http://www.4jehovah.org/jehovahs-witness-archangel.php
Jesus has authority to rebuke Satan: Mark 8:33
Michael can’t rebuke Satan: Jude 9
Jesus Exclusively God’s Son: Hebrews 1:5
Michael Has an inferior name: Hebrews 1:4
Jesus Receives worship and God’s future Kingdom: Hebrews 1:6; Matthew 28:17-18
Michael Rejects worship; Not given God’s Kingdom: Revelation 22:8-9; Hebrews 2:5
Creator
Question: First, ask if you can both agree that the old testament states that God, Jehovah, is the Creator of all things?
Isaiah 44:24 I am the Lord, who has made all things, who alone stretched out the heavens, who spread out the earth by myself, Isaiah 45:12 It is I who made the earth and created mankind upon it, My own hands stretched out the heavens; and Isaiah 48:12: My own hand laid the foundations of the earth.
Romans 11:36. For from Him and through Him and to Him are all things. To Him be the glory forever! Amen.
Heb. 3:3-4 says that Jesus has been found worthy of greater honour than Moses, just as the builder of a house has greater honour than the house itself, for every house is built by someone, but God is the builder of everything."
Question: So Isaiah & Romans say that God created all, Hebrews says that both Jesus and God created all, yet Colossians says that Jesus created all?
New International Version:
Col 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn over all creation. For by him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things were created by him and for him. He is before all things, and in him all things hold together.New World Translation
: Col 1:15-17 He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation; because by means of him all (other) things were created in the heavens and upon the earth; the things visible and the things invisible, no matter whether they are thrones or lordships or governments or authorities. All (other) things have been created through him, and for him. Also, he is before all (other) things and by means of him all (other) things were made to exist.Kingdom Interlinear)
15 who is image of the God the invisible, firstborn of al1 creation, 16 because in him it was created the all (things) in the heavens and upon earth, the (things) visible and the (things) invisible, whether thrones or lordships or governments or authorities; the all (things) through him and into him it has been created; 17 and he is before all (things) and the all (things) in him it has stood together,Question: It looks like both NIV and KI agree but NWT has inserted (other). This changes the meaning, it doesn’t make it easier to read or understand. How can both God and Jesus be creators and sustainers?
Alpha & Omega
Isaiah 44:6 says This is what the Lord says - Israel's King and Redeemer, the Lord Almighty. "I am the First and I am the Last." Isaiah 48:12 says the same thing, I am the First and I am the Last.
Question: So who's this referring to?
Revelation 1:8 says: "I am the Alpha and the Omega," says the Lord God, "who is, and who was, and who is to come, the Almighty."
Question: Who is the Alpha and the Omega?
Revelation 21:6-7 "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. To him who is thirsty I will give to drink without cost from the spring of the water of life. He who overcomes will inherit all this, and I will be his God and he will be my son.
Question: Who is the 'Beginning and the End, the Alpha and the Omega in these verses?
Revelations 22:12 and 13 NWT Look, I am coming quickly and the reward I give is with me, to render to each one as his work is. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.
Question: Who is spoken of here?
Revelations 1: 17 and 18. And when I saw him, I fell as dead at his feet. And he laid his right hand upon me and said: "Do not be fearful. I am the First and the Last, and the living one, and I became dead, but , look! I am living forever and ever, and I have the keys of death and of Hades.
Revelations 2:8 And to the angel of the congregation in Smyrna write: These are the things that he says, 'the First and the Last,' who became dead and came to life (again).
Question: Are you telling me then that Jehovah God died?
Who is Coming?
Revelations 1:4 Grace and peace to you from Him who is, and who was, and who is to come, and from the seven spirits before his throne, and from Jesus Christ.
Question: Who is spoken of here?
Revelations 1:7 Look, he is coming with the clouds, and every eye will see him, even those who pierced him;
Revelations 4:8 says: Holy, holy, holy is the Lord God Almighty, who was, and is, and is to come.
Question: So who is coming?
Revelations 22:7 states : Behold I am coming soon.
Revelations 22:12 and 13: Behold I am coming soon! My reward is with me, and I will give to everyone acccording to what he has done. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End.
Question: So who is coming soon in these verses?
Revelations 22:20 it says,: Yes, I am coming soon. Amen. Come Lord Jesus.